Curse

Toxage · Dec 20, 2007, 12:16 AM // 00:16

ROFL , once again a retarded player creates a whine thread.... and about the second most powerful class? JUST ROFL at you... stop being such a retard!

I will help you not to be so noobie..

Dragon Slash + FGJ + Flail + Conjure Fire + Dwarf Weapon + Save Yourselves = OWNAGE!Over 50% damage reduction, with highest single target dps in the game...

Crom The Pale · Dec 20, 2007, 12:21 AM // 00:21

Hmm...checking my pulse...yup I'm still alive and killing stuff.

Now I will admit that wars aren't the awsome solo farmers they once were....but then that really isn't the purpose of playing the game.

When I play one of my caster classes I never scream, EEECK! There is a mesmer wanding me!! HELP!!!!

On the other hand when a war comes a knocking I tend to panic and give them the respect they demand as one of the most deadly of all classes in the game.

Faer · Dec 20, 2007, 12:21 AM // 00:21

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Originally Posted by Pandora's box

needs monk support.

I'm sorry, but are you saying that spellcasters don't need Monk support? Because, you know, a 60AL target is actually harder to keep alive than a 80-100AL target.

Nevin · Dec 20, 2007, 12:23 AM // 00:23

I believe what the OP is trying to say is. Although Warriors are a jack of all trades, theres a profession that can specify much better in a specific field of combat. Such as Assassins can do more damage then warriors, and quicker. Dervs can tank better then Warriors, Paragons can offer better support then warriors. That how ever is what makes a Warrior a Warrior, its the lazy man's profession, hit tab and space and stare at the screen you won't die, but you won't really do much either but pressure.

Don't get me wrong, Warriors are totally a viable class, after all, everyone has their pro's and cons. Its just that when you compare what the Warrior used to be known for, now to what other professions can do... (Walk down memory lane time)

Adren Spike < SP Sin's (or any generic combo for that matter)
Doylak Sig Tank < Avatar of Balth Tank (mystic regen? incredibiloudoius)
Shout Support < Paragons
Running < Shadow Form Sins, D/A runners.

Toxage · Dec 20, 2007, 12:27 AM // 00:27

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Originally Posted by Nevin

I believe what the OP is trying to say is. Although Warriors are a jack of all trades, theres a profession that can specify much better in a specific field of combat. Such as Assassins can do more damage then warriors, and quicker. Dervs can tank better then Warriors, Paragons can offer better support then warriors. That how ever is what makes a Warrior a Warrior, its the lazy man's profession, hit tab and space and stare at the screen you won't die, but you won't really do much either but pressure.

Don't get me wrong, Warriors are totally a viable class, after all, everyone has their pro's and cons.

Yup, thats why in top tier pvp their are always warriors, yet there are many top teams with little to no dervish skills or paragon skills? hmmm

ROFL , once again a retarded player creates a whine thread.... and about the second most powerful class? JUST ROFL at you... stop being such a retard!

I will help you not to be so noobie..

Dragon Slash + FGJ + Flail + Conjure Fire + Dwarf Weapon + Save Yourselves = OWNAGE!Over 50% damage reduction, with highest single target dps in the game...

**Marty Silverblade** · Dec 20, 2007, 12:28 AM // 00:28

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Originally Posted by sage tank

warrior in pve does shit damage againist higher level monsters. 8 level difference is like 70% damage reduction

This is just as epic as the guy who once said 'OMG no IAS on your sword warrior boohoo'

Seriously. I'm dealing ~75+ damage per second, and keep you on your ass for as long as I damn well want to. Whoever tells me that is useless gets the /ignoreposts from me.

Nevin · Dec 20, 2007, 12:32 AM // 00:32

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Originally Posted by Toxage

Yup, thats why in top tier pvp their are always warriors, yet there are many top teams with little to no dervish skills or paragon skills? hmmm

ROFL , once again a retarded player creates a whine thread.... and about the second most powerful class? JUST ROFL at you... stop being such a retard!

I will help you not to be so noobie..

Dragon Slash + FGJ + Flail + Conjure Fire + Dwarf Weapon + Save Yourselves = OWNAGE!Over 50% damage reduction, with highest single target dps in the game...

Sounds like a lot of conditions to meet that are accessible to any profession. So tell me how would that do more damage or be more viable then a Derv, Sin, Ranger, Paragon (only counting martials) with the same access to those pve skills and an ele secondary? I also find it funny that how you try to use PvP as a point of argument, high tier pvp is in shambles compared to what it once was, and you're acting surprised that no one innovative enough has come along to replace Warriors in their pvp groups?

For fun I'll pick apart your "PvE build"
Conjur Fire? Very exclusive, only need what... an /e to get that for any melee attacker?
Dwarf Weapon? Ohhh, now we're relying on outside support as well.
Save Yourselves? A PvE skill that can be used by any other profession?
Flail? Well now.. I guess no other profession has a 33% attack speed increase; With a speed decrease that is.
FGJ+Dragon Slash? Quite possibly the most viable part of the build, aside from the fact that theres a 25 second cool down between the DS spamming.

Over all its a good build, but it just proves that in order for Warriors to out due other professions, they ultimately have to rely on imba PvE skills and a secondary? Refrain from the name calling as well, you can do that in RA with your buds.

Faer · Dec 20, 2007, 12:35 AM // 00:35

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Originally Posted by Nevin

Adren Spike < SP Sin's (or any generic combo for that matter)

Cool, you can spike every 20-30 seconds. Where's your threatening pressure? Where's your high damage autoattacking? Where's your "oops that attack was blocked, no big deal, it's not like my next attack is unusable because of it"? Where's your high AL that keeps people from instagibbing you the moment you overextend even slightly?

Oh, that's right. Assassins don't have those things. My bad.

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Originally Posted by Nevin

Doylak Sig Tank < Avatar of Balth Tank (mystic regen? incredibiloudoius)

Avatar of Balthazar is bad. Dolyak Signet is bad. Tanks are bad. Tanking doesn't kill things. Doing damage kills things. The point of the game is to kill things.

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Originally Posted by Nevin

Shout Support < Paragons

Paragons are awesome, but they aren't better than Warriors when it comes to doing what the Warrior was made to do.

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Originally Posted by Nevin

Running < Shadow Form Sins, D/A runners.

Since when does running matter?

Age · Dec 20, 2007, 12:36 AM // 00:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toxage

ROFL , once again a retarded player creates a whine thread.... and about the second most powerful class? JUST ROFL at you... stop being such a retard!

I will help you not to be so noobie..

Dragon Slash + FGJ + Flail + Conjure Fire + Dwarf Weapon + Save Yourselves = OWNAGE!Over 50% damage reduction, with highest single target dps in the game...

What would the first one be then?Warriors are the only class except maybe Eles(smites that is) that can solo the UW.

Nevin · Dec 20, 2007, 01:03 AM // 01:03

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Originally Posted by Faer

Cool, you can spike every 20-30 seconds. Where's your threatening pressure? Where's your high damage autoattacking? Where's your "oops that attack was blocked, no big deal, it's not like my next attack is unusable because of it"? Where's your high AL that keeps people from instagibbing you the moment you overextend even slightly?

Oh, that's right. Assassins don't have those things. My bad.
Avatar of Balthazar is bad. Dolyak Signet is bad. Tanks are bad. Tanking doesn't kill things. Doing damage kills things. The point of the game is to kill things.
Paragons are awesome, but they aren't better than Warriors when it comes to doing what the Warrior was made to do.
Since when does running matter?

You're over generalizing, theres many exceptions as well to a Warrior's adren spike. Sure adren spikes may be harder to shut down by some lone player but when the *$@! hits the fan, the fact is that if anyone were trying to stop a melee spike of any sort... Adren spike or Sin spike, they'd be able to do it, regardless if it was a Sin or War.

As for tanking not being valuable? I'm pretty sure most high end PvE areas require one (DoA, and for the oldies SF). Running not important? It was important enough to shut down with the introduction of locked gates, and it still exists today.

I still don't think people understand what some people are trying to say in this thread. Warriors are not BAD, they just no longer excel as much as they used to. At any given example in any situation there is almost a better alternative then a warrior. Key word, almost. There are still things Warriors do better then any other profession, but with the introduction of new professions and skills, what used to be many things is now less. What warriors prevail most in, is their "natural" ability. They already have high AL and high DPS, unlike other professions that require several skills to reach those same standards.

Coolquest · Dec 20, 2007, 01:03 AM // 01:03

Everyone, please calm down with the name calling. I wouldn't have started this thread if I had expected so many trolls to come >_>
And I've never heard of warr soloing UW? Got a build I could take a lookie at?
And Nevil explained what I was trying to perfectly.

Stormlord Alex · Dec 20, 2007, 01:11 AM // 01:11

What the hell is going on here? =/

Warriors are stronger now than they've ever been in PvE; with the silly-overpowered PvE adrenal skills and Dragon Slash.

And tanks are officially fail. Only bad teams need them as a crutch because they suck too much to deal with anything that outdamages Healing Breeze.

MisterB · Dec 20, 2007, 01:18 AM // 01:18

There's a number of warrior builds to solo UW( graspings and smites, not the aataxe, generally); which one do you want? Some of them are quite fast, as well. http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10196128
Your first post invites flames because it is blatantly false.

Yawgmoth · Dec 20, 2007, 01:40 AM // 01:40

Get Ursan Blessing, cry less

(staple answer to people qq'ing about their class sucking)

But seriously what *nerfs* are you talking about? I can't remember any major Warrior nerfs in the last year.

Coolquest · Dec 20, 2007, 01:50 AM // 01:50

I never said nerfs to the warr, I said nerfs to the drops (you know the HM patch that made drop rates way different)
Thanks for the link

LightningHell · Dec 20, 2007, 02:16 AM // 02:16

What has the world gone to?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevin

I believe what the OP is trying to say is. Although Warriors are a jack of all trades, theres a profession that can specify much better in a specific field of combat. Such as Assassins can do more damage then warriors, and quicker. Dervs can tank better then Warriors, Paragons can offer better support then warriors. That how ever is what makes a Warrior a Warrior, its the lazy man's profession, hit tab and space and stare at the screen you won't die, but you won't really do much either but pressure.

Don't get me wrong, Warriors are totally a viable class, after all, everyone has their pro's and cons. Its just that when you compare what the Warrior used to be known for, now to what other professions can do... (Walk down memory lane time)

Adren Spike < SP Sin's (or any generic combo for that matter)
Doylak Sig Tank < Avatar of Balth Tank (mystic regen? incredibiloudoius)
Shout Support < Paragons
Running < Shadow Form Sins, D/A runners.

High DPS with autoattack < ???

Nevin · Dec 20, 2007, 02:47 AM // 02:47

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Originally Posted by LightningHell

What has the world gone to?

High DPS with autoattack < ???

Nothing.

12 chars

Snow Bunny · Dec 20, 2007, 02:49 AM // 02:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevin

I believe what the OP is trying to say is. Although Warriors are a jack of all trades, theres a profession that can specify much better in a specific field of combat. Such as Assassins can do more damage then warriors, and quicker. Dervs can tank better then Warriors, Paragons can offer better support then warriors. That how ever is what makes a Warrior a Warrior, its the lazy man's profession, hit tab and space and stare at the screen you won't die, but you won't really do much either but pressure.

Don't get me wrong, Warriors are totally a viable class, after all, everyone has their pro's and cons. Its just that when you compare what the Warrior used to be known for, now to what other professions can do... (Walk down memory lane time)

Adren Spike < SP Sin's (or any generic combo for that matter)
Doylak Sig Tank < Avatar of Balth Tank (mystic regen? incredibiloudoius)
Shout Support < Paragons
Running < Shadow Form Sins, D/A runners.

Please stop talking.

Warriors were made to do one thing: Kill shit.

They do it better than any class in the game.

/thread

Marverick · Dec 20, 2007, 03:13 AM // 03:13

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Originally Posted by Marty Silverblade

This is just as epic as the guy who once said 'OMG no IAS on your sword warrior boohoo'

Seriously. I'm dealing ~75+ damage per second, and keep you on your ass for as long as I damn well want to. Whoever tells me that is useless gets the /ignoreposts from me.

Moebius DB does ~90-100 mostly armor-ignoring DPS to my target and splash damage to everything around me, sorry you fail

I'm pretty sure a Scythe has higher auto attack DPS than any Warrior weapon btw, not factoring in the AoE factor.

Anyway, that aside, Warriors are a good damage dealer in PvE but they are not the best for DPS. However they are great for party support with SY! and WY! and stuff and knockdowns with DS + Brawling headbutt, which, when combined with their good DPS, is what makes them more useful than, say, a Derv or Assassin spec'd purely for damage.

Faer · Dec 20, 2007, 03:14 AM // 03:14

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Originally Posted by Nevin

You're over generalizing

No, I'm just not being dumb. If a Warrior attack gets blocked, they can simply switch targets and continue dealing heavy damage. If an Assassin attack gets blocked, they are boned, and must wait for their combo to recharge before they can do anything of any real importance. If you are lucky, your combo is full of attacks that recharge quickly. If you aren't (and most good Assassin builds fall into this category currently), your combo relies on heavy hitting attacks that take a good few moments to recharge, making you effectively worthless during that time period.

Assassins are "good", but easily screwed over. Every second counts.

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Originally Posted by Nevin

As for tanking not being valuable? I'm pretty sure most high end PvE areas require one (DoA, and for the oldies SF).

No, sorry, tanks aren't needed. Anywhere. If you need a tank to complete any area, you are being bad, and need to learn how to play the game. Stop running trash builds, and you'll find the game to be a lot more interesting.

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Originally Posted by Nevin

Running not important?

It's not.

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Originally Posted by Marverick

Moebius DB does ~90-100 mostly armor-ignoring DPS to my target and splash damage to everything around me, sorry you fail

What if Moebius gets disabled by one of the many skills in the game designed to disable other skills that people have a habit of repeatedly spamming?

Oops, you're boned. Have fun autoattacking for a while.